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		<title>By: janevangalen</title>
		<link>http://educationandclass.com/2007/11/03/the-rising-cost-of-adequate/comment-page-2/#comment-378</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello, Stephanie,

Frank talks about the opposition being general opposition to any changes in the tax code at all, based on two beliefs: that what&#039;s good for the wealthy is good for all of us, and that cutting taxes will have little public effect beyond constraining government waste.


He cites a 1997 book by Larry Seidman (MIT Press)analyzing a progressive consumption tax bill that was introduced with bi-partisan support in 1995 but which never made it to a full floor vote.  Could be an interesting read. 

Frank argues for a progressive consumption tax (and argues for simplicity, by proposing that taxes essentially be based on the differences between one&#039;s income and one&#039;s savings in a given year) to address the inherent regressiveness of sales taxes (such as the proposal Ian write about in his comment).

I need to learn much more.

Jane]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Stephanie,</p>
<p>Frank talks about the opposition being general opposition to any changes in the tax code at all, based on two beliefs: that what&#8217;s good for the wealthy is good for all of us, and that cutting taxes will have little public effect beyond constraining government waste.</p>
<p>He cites a 1997 book by Larry Seidman (MIT Press)analyzing a progressive consumption tax bill that was introduced with bi-partisan support in 1995 but which never made it to a full floor vote.  Could be an interesting read. </p>
<p>Frank argues for a progressive consumption tax (and argues for simplicity, by proposing that taxes essentially be based on the differences between one&#8217;s income and one&#8217;s savings in a given year) to address the inherent regressiveness of sales taxes (such as the proposal Ian write about in his comment).</p>
<p>I need to learn much more.</p>
<p>Jane</p>
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		<title>By: is a fair tax one possible way to work towards economic equity? &#171; engaged intellectuals</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pm (politics, social class)    Jane Van Galen has a great post about a book she recently read regarding replacing the income tax system with a retail/consumption [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 8th, 2007 at 8:46 pm (politics, social class)    Jane Van Galen has a great post about a book she recently read regarding replacing the income tax system with a retail/consumption [...]</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie jones</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is such a fascinating topic, and something I have only recently started to really consider. Without doing a massive search on the internet, does anyone know about politicians, presidential candidates, and/or activist groups working toward fair tax policies?

I&#039;m revealing my ignorance here, but who are the opponents and why? (I could guess, of course, but hate to make stereotypical assumptions about anyone)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is such a fascinating topic, and something I have only recently started to really consider. Without doing a massive search on the internet, does anyone know about politicians, presidential candidates, and/or activist groups working toward fair tax policies?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m revealing my ignorance here, but who are the opponents and why? (I could guess, of course, but hate to make stereotypical assumptions about anyone)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The FairTax Act of 2007 is a progressive consumption tax that will un-tax all citizen-families&#039; spending up to the poverty level.  As you may be aware, it has become a major campaign issue, as witnessed by its discussion during a Republican debate on &quot;This Week with Geo. Stephanopoulos&quot; ( http://snipurl.com/stephanopoulosdebate ).

There is no reasonable equity of distribution under the current INCOME tax system. What&#039;s more, the income tax code has become a tinkerer&#039;s paradise for 53% of the lobbyists who game it in Washington DC. It&#039;s a lucrative business, and the U.S. TAXPAYER pays for ALL of it in higher prices (a hidden tax which is incomprehensible to the average working person). 

Prices AFTER FairTax would look SIMILAR to prices BEFORE FairTax - NOT 30% HIGHER - as opponents contend; competition would see to it. The FairTax rate on new items would be 29.9% (on the new, reduced cost of items because business isn&#039;t taxed under FairTax - thus lowering retail prices by 20% to 30%), or 23% of the &quot;tax inclusive&quot; price tag - this is the way INCOME TAX is figured (parts of the total dollar). 

The effective tax rate percentages, that different income groups would pay under a FairTax consumption tax, are calculated by crediting the monthly &quot;prebate&quot; (rebate of tax on necessities) against all likely monthly spending of citizen families (1 member, and greater based on figures established by the Dept. of HHS - a single person receiving ~$200/mo. A family of four receiving ~$500, in addition to family earners receiving their WHOLE paycheck). Prof.&#039;s Kotlikoff and Rapson (10/06) have concluded,

(From study: http://snipurl.com/kotcomparetaxrates ) &quot;...the FairTax imposes much lower average taxes on working-age households than does the current system. The FairTax broadens the tax base from what is now primarily a system of labor income taxation to a system that taxes, albeit indirectly, both labor income and existing wealth. By including existing wealth in the effective tax base, much of which is owned by rich and middle-class elderly households, the FairTax is able to tax labor income at a lower effective rate and, thereby, lower the average lifetime tax rates facing working-age Americans.

&quot;Consider, as an example, a single household age 30 earning $50,000. The household’s average tax rate under the current system is 21.1 percent. It’s 13.5 percent under the FairTax. Since the FairTax would preserve the purchasing power of Social Security benefits and also provide a tax rebate, older low-income workers who will live primarily or exclusively on Social Security would be better off. As an example, the average remaining lifetime tax rate for an age 60 married couple with $20,000 of earnings falls from its current value of 7.2 percent to -11.0 percent under the FairTax. As another example, compare the current 24.0 percent remaining lifetime average tax rate of a married age 45 couple with $100,000 in earnings to the 14.7 percent rate that arises under the FairTax.&quot;

Further,

(From study: http://snipurl.com/kotftmacromicro ) &quot;...once one moves to generations postdating the baby boomers there are positive welfare gains for all income groups in each cohort. Under a 23 percent FairTax policy, the poorest members of the generation born in 1990 enjoy a 13.5 percent welfare gain. Their middle-class and rich contemporaries experience 5 and 2 percent welfare gains, respectively. The welfare gains are largest for future generations. Take the cohort born in 2030. The poorest members of this cohort enjoy a huge 26 percent improvement in their well-being. For middle class members of this birth group, there&#039;s a 12 percent welfare gain. And for the richest members of the group, the gain is 5 percent.&quot;

It&#039;s well past time to scrap the tax code ( http://snipr.com/scrapthecode ) and pay for government the way that America&#039;s working men and women are paid - when something is sold.

(Permission is granted to reproduce in whole or part. - Ian)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FairTax Act of 2007 is a progressive consumption tax that will un-tax all citizen-families&#8217; spending up to the poverty level.  As you may be aware, it has become a major campaign issue, as witnessed by its discussion during a Republican debate on &#8220;This Week with Geo. Stephanopoulos&#8221; ( <a href="http://snipurl.com/stephanopoulosdebate" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/stephanopoulosdebate</a> ).</p>
<p>There is no reasonable equity of distribution under the current INCOME tax system. What&#8217;s more, the income tax code has become a tinkerer&#8217;s paradise for 53% of the lobbyists who game it in Washington DC. It&#8217;s a lucrative business, and the U.S. TAXPAYER pays for ALL of it in higher prices (a hidden tax which is incomprehensible to the average working person). </p>
<p>Prices AFTER FairTax would look SIMILAR to prices BEFORE FairTax &#8211; NOT 30% HIGHER &#8211; as opponents contend; competition would see to it. The FairTax rate on new items would be 29.9% (on the new, reduced cost of items because business isn&#8217;t taxed under FairTax &#8211; thus lowering retail prices by 20% to 30%), or 23% of the &#8220;tax inclusive&#8221; price tag &#8211; this is the way INCOME TAX is figured (parts of the total dollar). </p>
<p>The effective tax rate percentages, that different income groups would pay under a FairTax consumption tax, are calculated by crediting the monthly &#8220;prebate&#8221; (rebate of tax on necessities) against all likely monthly spending of citizen families (1 member, and greater based on figures established by the Dept. of HHS &#8211; a single person receiving ~$200/mo. A family of four receiving ~$500, in addition to family earners receiving their WHOLE paycheck). Prof.&#8217;s Kotlikoff and Rapson (10/06) have concluded,</p>
<p>(From study: <a href="http://snipurl.com/kotcomparetaxrates" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/kotcomparetaxrates</a> ) &#8220;&#8230;the FairTax imposes much lower average taxes on working-age households than does the current system. The FairTax broadens the tax base from what is now primarily a system of labor income taxation to a system that taxes, albeit indirectly, both labor income and existing wealth. By including existing wealth in the effective tax base, much of which is owned by rich and middle-class elderly households, the FairTax is able to tax labor income at a lower effective rate and, thereby, lower the average lifetime tax rates facing working-age Americans.</p>
<p>&#8220;Consider, as an example, a single household age 30 earning $50,000. The household’s average tax rate under the current system is 21.1 percent. It’s 13.5 percent under the FairTax. Since the FairTax would preserve the purchasing power of Social Security benefits and also provide a tax rebate, older low-income workers who will live primarily or exclusively on Social Security would be better off. As an example, the average remaining lifetime tax rate for an age 60 married couple with $20,000 of earnings falls from its current value of 7.2 percent to -11.0 percent under the FairTax. As another example, compare the current 24.0 percent remaining lifetime average tax rate of a married age 45 couple with $100,000 in earnings to the 14.7 percent rate that arises under the FairTax.&#8221;</p>
<p>Further,</p>
<p>(From study: <a href="http://snipurl.com/kotftmacromicro" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/kotftmacromicro</a> ) &#8220;&#8230;once one moves to generations postdating the baby boomers there are positive welfare gains for all income groups in each cohort. Under a 23 percent FairTax policy, the poorest members of the generation born in 1990 enjoy a 13.5 percent welfare gain. Their middle-class and rich contemporaries experience 5 and 2 percent welfare gains, respectively. The welfare gains are largest for future generations. Take the cohort born in 2030. The poorest members of this cohort enjoy a huge 26 percent improvement in their well-being. For middle class members of this birth group, there&#8217;s a 12 percent welfare gain. And for the richest members of the group, the gain is 5 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s well past time to scrap the tax code ( <a href="http://snipr.com/scrapthecode" rel="nofollow">http://snipr.com/scrapthecode</a> ) and pay for government the way that America&#8217;s working men and women are paid &#8211; when something is sold.</p>
<p>(Permission is granted to reproduce in whole or part. &#8211; Ian)</p>
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